So in short pre retcon beyonder decides whether or not he gets damaged or killed. The Beyonder kicks both their asses though, not the current beyonder but the first one. No one is that powerful. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . 13. ' beyonder is millions of times more powerful thsn LT, TOAA, Fulcrum and every other Marvel guy combined. 2. Lovecraft's mythos is vague and open ended, but a high end interpretation is that Yog Sothoth is inaccessible and beyond all hierarchies of infinity. #1. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. This is like putting TOAA against an ant. The more powerful Thanos becomes, CA Superman will surpass it. Beyonder curbstomp slaughterhouse. beyonder Yep, lol. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. deactivated-629d3023b5b49. I dunno. so any one of then can easily defeat beyonder without even. Advertisement Coins. 5 Less Powerful: Galactus Galactus is terrifying in theory alone; his desire to consume entire planets have caused devastation since the beginning of time (as he is as old as the. s. . Pre Retcon Beyonder. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. State of mind: Characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws. Your response is private Was this worth your time? This helps us sort answers on the page. I think the idea. He's above Dr. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. Round 3: TOAA vs pre retcon beyonder (not sure if he’s actually omnipotent) Bonus: if all three lose, than TOAA vs all three together This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Coldsocial • Additional comment actions. So I might be missing something. Given that he included the IG, its fair to assume that he wanted it to work. So this battle is TOAA vs. A force that has created 4 separate planes of reality<dimension if you will>ie Death Fog's realm , Ruby eye , Darkstar and the last one i can't remember. #1 Edited By Nighthunter. he is omnipresent. 21 48 48 comments Best material-world • 2 yr. Beyonder's legitimately more powerful. 8 years ago. I'm not sure how you can put Grant Morrison's "The Writer" character above PM though. He's nowhere near Beyonder levels. If we however assume that Johnny isn't just above Deku and Bakugo where Deku and Bakugo. Azathoth is TOAA of lovecraft. - Funny thing is they also showed a scan of being Omnipotent. 0. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. 1 Answer. Even The. Pre-retcon Beyonder. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. #12 Edited By Montaq. You need to be logged in to post comments. Even his counterpart, The One Below All, is actually an alter-ego of himself, not a separate entity. 14 years ago. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Technically God exists as a character on Earth called Yahweh, which is his Jewish name, meaning He does exist as Yahweh/God/Allah in the comics, but how we perceive God in our universe as an all-powerful, unstoppable force of nature is how TOAA is, except he's on an Omniversal scale. Follow 331. ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". 3 years ago. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. It involved, at the time, marvel explaining the potential of other comic mega-verses existing and the fact that each has their own supreme being. This means that TOAA is contained in it's creation and creation is contained in TOAA, but TOAA also transcends creation. Follow 77. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. The Infinity Gauntlet's range is only the universe and time and space inside the universe. Job Burke 4. @bballaag: No, even pre retcon beyonder cannot defeat The Presence or even TOAA. He is True Omnipotent inside. So, unless you think that Beyonder is >> TOAA and Presence, then your statement is absolute hyperbole and highly inaccurate. This is a simple fight. Thought Robot without any effort. 14 years ago. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. He’s supposed to be the number 2 behind. Wiki Points. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. Having incubated. So with all of that said, I say they tie after the others die. Ninja-Yatsu • 10 mo. The Heart of the Universe makes this rather one sided. he is immensely powerful since he can wipe out anyone easily but still below TOAA. so the problem is that, Oblivion kinda has an upgrade in ranks during the decades, in the past Oblivion was kinda in the same rank that Eternity, Infinite and lady death, but in more modern comics, is hinted that he is way above that, The Chaos King that was revealed to be just a avatar of oblivion, basically a strand of oblivion hair, was above Eternity, The Griever that was destroying the. Buuuuut, Molecule man currently is back to his old power levels. 11 years ago. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". Team 1: The Beyonders. #28 ovy7. And what does this mean? He was TOAA before TOAA? I don't get it. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. Situation 3:If all of them are bloodlusted, the battle ends in less than a minute with the last standing being TOAA and Presence. I see him as toaa's equal. Same goes for Jean's human parents. Pre Beyonder Had the power of the authors and could do literally anything he wanted. Kitsunw. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. Forum Posts. In general as the Supreme Beings. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. I dunno. ago. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Melkor is the second strongest character in Arda (Middle-Earth planet), though he may be third after Ungolliant. Pre-retcon Beyonder. TOAA would be above Spawn, according to Marvel's hierarchy. He is the true Monotheistic Supreme God of the Marvel Omniverse and the sole master of the cosmic overseer; The Living Tribunal. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. The Beyonder here, is referring to his pre-nerf version from Secret Wars II, since he got nerfed by Marvel writers and artists afterwards. Lord Of Shambala 5. Beyonder is not omnipotent since he couldn't bring death back. Neutral these battles dont make sense. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. Pre Nemesis she was the Infinity Being who really was the original TOAA if you really want to get technical. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Pre retcon Beyonder was literally TOAA level. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. vs. Round 1: In character Round 2: Blood lusted. . 4 years ago. TOAA definitely has better feats (his avatar destroyed countless universes) so he should take this. His. 567. TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. Hajun, if not Beyonder. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. And yeah he stomps. All traits of a character are used for calculating the Classification. Prepare for. IIRC pre-retcon Beyonder. The. Also was TOAA until he got bored Haven't seen anything to suggest this new one can come close 1 year agoAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. bunker_man • 2 mo. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. I really can't be asked to go into this but he resides outside of known reality and therefore is not. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. TOAA is omnipotent in the Marvel multiverse , not outside of it. Forum Posts. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. I'm talking about the original version, a Tier 0 character. They were both supreme powers above the LT. omnipotent means infinite power. And that excuse about "They would be powerless in MU" is false because they embody God's Power and Will. Who) vs the one above all (marvel) Battle takes place in the black void of absolute nothingness between the glory’s dimensional space (which is infinite I know just for the sake of painting the picture) and the marvel Omniverse. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. Seriously TOAA can erase everyone in all marvel universes without even trying heck he could fight them all at once, not even SS god Goku could stop him. PR Beyonder was TOAA for marvels universe before. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. Hands down. TOAA, Prescence, Thanos w/HOTU, Classic Beyonder. Beyonder stomps. Then things get more murky. Both fighters understand to sum level that they each "become more powerful over time" but not the specifics (adapting to survive/zenkai boosts and transformations)The PR Beyonder was hands-down the most powerful antagonist Marvel ever produced, and the greatest multiverse-buster from any company. 0 coins. 9 years ago mysticmedivh'The Beyonder operates on levels unimaginable to me. The Beyonder is supposedly TOAA of a different fiction all together an even more complex fiction at that. SCP 3812. Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. there are many verse bigger and stronger than marvel like DC. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. So in actuality: Beyonder = PM. Khorne. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. 10 years agoTOAA, Fulcrum Scathan, Taimut post Ascension, PR Beyonder, Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Chaos King/Choas War Hercules, OAA the Celestial if he really is more powerful than Scathan, Protege and. Manhattan. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. The power of love is said to be a threat. Max Deen. No Alien X & No Ascalon and no Godly powers ups like Phoenix/Beyonder/Captain Universe/Cosmic Cube Round 2. Both have absolute 100% control. In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. "NO beyonder is not on TOaa level lol "Yes, I am afraid he is. The One Above All (Marvel Comics) + The Presence (DC Comics) CONDITIONS: Versions: Strongest known canon versions. The True Beyonder vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Thespacelord;. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. Forum Posts. Far from Beyonder levels. Beyonder = tier 2 being at absolute most. The Living Tribunal is TOAA's right-hand cosmic entity. 11 years ago. TOAA (not the Above All Others version) is NOT The Presence counterpart (Marvel-DC), this character is the equivalent to The Writer. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. 0. Oh boy, Michael wins. To me TOAA is the creator (writer/artist). INB4 LOCK. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Vs. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotionSo you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. According to Marvel, a single celestial has. This Beyonder had little respect for mortals and treated everything like a plaything. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. 8 years ago. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. What they say. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. Aug 9, 2016 #10 Overseer due to wiki rules you must request a content revision and debate for this changes. TOAA was the supreme being of the marvel multiverse (interchangeably called universe) and everything in it. The celestial is probably still well above Manhattan but I'm not as sure there. And he loses. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. R5, same idea as R4. He was initially depicted. No one is that powerful. This Hulk has all the powers of The One Below All. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. 2. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. They were both. Or demonbane becoming a part of YA. From secret wars there was only one beyonder. Minor nitpick. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. • 7 mo. Preparation. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Round 1: Beyonder Vs ZRound 2: Beyonder Vs Kami TenchiRound 3: Beyonder Vs Truth (FMA). Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. Forum Posts. ". Yeah All Mighty Wins. TOAA isn't omnipotent. He'd have as much chance as an ant against omnipotence. Agreed. 5 years ago. So basically Superman is getting rolled over. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. Kitsunw. While Beyonder has the power of Marvel writers. 1%. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. s. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. Characters like LT, God Spawn, and Michael Demiurgos. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. Not even beyonder is that powerful. 1 year ago. beyonder was easily destroying multi verses. Team The Daughter Of Mortis I'm Unsure about this one. Jul 30, 2018. The glory (Dr. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. 4 years ago. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. Since it's Lt's job to guard the marvel omniverse, and the beyonder discovers the Marvel Universe today, would the LT have the power to stop the Classic Beyonder? As if the LT had never met the Classic. @TheLegendary32 said:. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. Who wins?PR Beyonder was at the time OMNIPOTENT -- He was supposed to the the TOAA equivalent from his own Megaverse!, it has been retconed a number of times but the retconns are irrelevant to the argument. Lovecraft's mythos is vague and open ended, but a high end interpretation is that Yog Sothoth is inaccessible and beyond all hierarchies of infinity. Strange, The Living Tribunal, Cosmic Abstracts (including ones that embody the concept of time, death, and infinity), Beyonder, Molecule Man, the omniverse, etc. and MoM = ToAA both are supreme gods of respective omniverses. so he is far from being the strongest in fiction not even top 20 strongest in fiction. s. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. Beyonder would just toy with the Spectre. That's something more powerful than the Beyonder. If we assume the former, then Deku and Bakugo would destroy the musician and then get destroyed by TOAA. Everything that takes place is his dreams. beyonder vs toaa. Normal beyonder loses terribly 13 years ago. Hajun via feats and implied power. No . 10 years ago. In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. 3 K The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). " im sick of Beyonder. Jayfournines. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. The only. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. Supergirl and Kal-L in COIE, SBP in SCW, etc. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. FAA could stalemate EGDB and (PR) Beyonder, 1v1. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). OP doesn't specify where the vs is taking place. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. TOAA is above all. 1. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. [deleted] • 8 yr. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. TOAA has no powers. Beyonder is nigh omnipotent so he wins. 1. The Glory is an infinite-dimensional temporal construct that holds the infinite dimensional multiverse in Doctor Who together. Prepare for. Nope. Dude’s absolutely broken. At least, not anymore. Beyonders killed LT and destroyed countless universes. 9 years ago. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. A Golden Age Mxyzptlk is pitted against the "Secret Wars" era Beyonder. #9 Edited By AtPhantom. 13 years agoEdit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. Spectre probably. Forum Posts. TOAA cannot warp his own creations without tech and The Beyonder was a creation of TOAA with the same power set. Thanos absorbed LT and the universe. TOAA is omnipotent. Beyonder's legitimately more powerful. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. No it is not. the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Look stuff up for it. But the original cover art of the original Beyonder was toying with them making everyone believe he was inferior. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. ) should be banned from the Battles Forum, as any fight they're in will end with. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. Thanos would be able to overpower Cosmic Entities like the Beyonder and, on top of that, Thanos is more used to using power on this scale than Doom. Beyonder is beyond the universe. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in DC. Jan 1, 2019. Reviews: 0. While the Living Tribunal is still the judge officially, the Phoenix Force can do everything the. Then House Of Ideas 12. 93. DC hasn't even created beings on his level, because they realize that something that powerful. This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. Team The Daughter Of Mortis - vs - Team Beyonder #. 0. Marvel had two God's, then changed to One Above. Beyonder was later retconned apparently because Tom DeFalco didn't like Jim Shooter and in 1990 and everything that was attributed to god after that was TOAA. And yes she-hulk can do that as well, but she can also defeat opponents by crumpling up the page, that plot manipulation. is above the spectre and Living Tribunal. Victory by permanent death or erasure. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. I think Darwin will take it 7/10 since you removed the "flight" option of fight or flight. In the end Jim was a single employee within the company, his actions were- under review by his superiors. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Aug 10, 2018 #25 Well beyonder is just fiction to oblivion. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. if we are highballing then this Beyonder said to be the toaa before the toaa meaing he is omnipotent. PR Beyonder Stomps. TOAA is basically a manifestation of the writer, while featless (except for the creating everything in all infinite marvel verses thing), he is above everything in marvel (since no character can just jump out of the comic and beat him up) If we go by scans the beyonder is a million. He is True Omnipotent, he was TOAA before TOAA was introduuced. Azathoth solos. SCP 3812. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore through the fabric of reality due to the of the. TOAA is the strongest character in fiction because he is the creator of the marvel universe. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. We have arrived at the Conclusion of Defenders Beyond! The Defenders have come face to face with The One Above All! But not all is as it seems, and Blue Ma. If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. There was a guy that could copy powers that defeated the LT. They could literally blink the Beyonders out of existence by simply having a character state "one day the Beyonders were gone. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. a god in the naruto verse is a microbe against a beyonder whom gods (aka the abstracts) in marvel verse fear. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. @pisswaterball The Beyond Realm is completely separate from Marvel so TOAA has no control. Man-Thing Divine Creator's Staff 6. I mean, the name itself says it – the One Above All – there is nothing, no one, that could beat him. At least, not anymore. Scenary: Cell Games Arena (Indestructible) Saibaimen not allowed Both TOAA, Madoka, Presence and Galactus with full power. Both have the same powers.